this is taken from the bbc's sunday morning show 'the big questions'.
i was going to pick out a few highlights but really, you need to watch the whole thing - it's only 23 minutes.
seriously, i could feel the bile and frustration rising in my gullet .
nonononoNonONONONONONONKNO!!
Unless it is to be presented alongside a list of myths of other cultures. But to be offered as a possible explanation of how the world came to be or an "alternative" to reality, NO. This discussion should have been over before it started.
they have picked on cults before.
they basically went to warfare with the church of scientology, so what would happen if they would pick on the wt ?
let's say they would release to the public of lot of secret documents that discredit them, or at least attack the jw.org website.
They want notiriety, and the fact that most people don't care about JWs makes them a small target. They'd rather be able to break the public's faith in an organization they trust, rather than an organization most people already think is a cult.
i don't know if you experienced this before, but i was always wondering why inactive or df'd jws look down upon others, even not acknowledging their fellow sinners.. any thoughts??
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Lots of DFed people shun anyone associated with JWs. Some just are mostly alone, feeling it is their punishment. My mom won't speak to me because she's DFed and thinks I'm a believer. If she knew I wasn't a believer, she still wouldn't talk to me.
I can't imagine what that must feel like. To have all of the cult fears and phobias and actually believe that gawd is gonna end the world any minute now, and you with it. All because you disobeyed some old men's rules. Disgusting.
i seem to remember chess was frowned upon by some jws.
is this like the oral/anal sex policy?
just ignore it and hope it goes away...
If you were to bring this ridiculousness up to a younger JW, they would laugh or immediately call your information suspect.
here are some highlights from the magazine.
the first article, "imitate the faith of moses", teaches how moses didn't remain in pharohs court, they then skillfully spin getting a decent paying job and career as equaling "enjoyment of sin", and how those who have "enjoyment of sin" will die at armageddon with everyone else who enjoys their job.
here are some quotes from the article.... "when tempted to engage in sinful conduct, ask, what future do i want for myself?....
I personally know many younger JWs who are either saving for retirement, or preparing to supplement their parents' incomes because they didn't save for their own. This WILL catch up with the WTS soon. Now it's finally possible to have a conversation with JWs about retirement funds.
Funny though, because they are willing to disobey the 'direction' about savings, they blame the older generation personally for not saving. Still no blame is out on the WTS.
i have home bible stufy tomorrow and need help asking some questions to get the elders mind going, as well as my wife.
oppose the devil and his crafty acts oppose the devil, and he will flee.
james 4:7. if you have been serving jehovah for decades, you have likely heard numerous baptism talks at our assem- blies and conventions.
Wow... After not reading that crap for so long, it's tough to stomach all of the cult speak.
I don't know how you do it, hopefully it is worth it with your wife.
PS I'm not sure of the point of this thread... though punk have you some nice questions to get the wheels turning
i have been suffering from fatigue, burning in my stomach, and i have always had canker sore issues as long as i can remember.
whether it's from stress or not, i can't say, but i might be getting an ulcer.
the burning in my stomach and intestinal puffiness is getting to be be chronic.
thanks for the link, jgnat! great talk
Well if he's real, he's an asshole. His own book proves him as one.
i ask this because i was considering rejoining and the stories i have read only remind me of what was done to me.
is there any clean place to go where good people and fellowship can be had.
it sounds like maybe the people here should get together and start there own thing, like the reorganized latter day saints.
You, sir are prime to join another cult. If you don't have any friends then you're not likely charismatic enough to start your own. Maybe instead of looking for cults to join, maybe just try and be more open to new relationships? Try meetup.com They have groups in every area for various interests. Not a dating site in case you're wondering.
Also, maybe don't advertise the fact that you have no friends... Can turn people off. good chance you're clingy.
from my experience as a jw i noticed that myself, and many young ones do not have a choice in the decision of becoming a jw or not.
from infancy you are indoctrinated, so by the time you become a teenager and just begining to reason on right and wrong and what you will do with your life it has already been decided.
so at this moment in your late teens you come to a cross roads... if you decide not to be a jw you will be mentally and emotionally beaten, threatened and oustracized bordering on abuse.
Great point. It really isn't a choice at all. Yet when one decides to point it out, the JW will immediately point out that it was YOUR choice to get baptized, and YOUR choice to leave. Always blame the person, not the cult.
